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Title: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: kara on March 20, 2008, 07:31:51 PM
I've made my first own drumkits in hydrogene  ;D

What do you think of the sound ?

k


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on March 20, 2008, 10:23:54 PM
Schweet!

Sounds like the real thing...almost. (OK, better than the real thing  :D)

Good work  :;


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: folderol on March 21, 2008, 05:56:16 PM
Very nice crisp sounds, especially those cymbals.


Pssst, Oren, you keep him talking and I'll get the guys to come round with a van to nick his drum kit  8)
Hey, wadaya mean they aint real  >:(

 ;D


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Wyatt on March 21, 2008, 06:17:38 PM
Wow..that sounds great to me!

Being a lowly conguero, I don't really
understand how to put a drum kit track
together, but you seem to have it very well in hand. 

You are wringing some great stuff out of that new DAW.  ;)

Wyatt


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on March 22, 2008, 11:10:54 AM
Pssst, Oren, you keep him talking and I'll get the guys to come round with a van to nick his drum kit  8)
Hey, wadaya mean they aint real  >:(

Pssst, Will, I got one already, except mine has no "e" at the end... :D

....oh, you mean the actual kit ::)    Well, it sounds real enough to me....


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: kara on March 23, 2008, 10:44:42 AM
No problem guys, if you want it let me know and i'' give a download link
You'll have to wait a couple of days, i'm in Belgium visiting Moon, and i'll propably see Marc ar the Jarre concert in Brussels


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: folderol on March 23, 2008, 01:17:30 PM
I'm jealous :P

You realise we will be expecting 'great things' from you after the concert ;D


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on March 27, 2008, 07:41:16 PM
Is this appropriate? I have a little Ardour/guitar/Hydrogen test that seems to go with this thread.
Hydrogen Ultra-Acoustic kit.
My George Fullerton G&L through the Digitech RP12
Trimmed up and converted to compressed format in Audacity. :;


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: kara on March 27, 2008, 08:35:55 PM
You have take-off Oren  :-
Sounds great  O0
A new Linux daw is live here  ;D

k


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: folderol on March 27, 2008, 10:59:58 PM
Wow O0

drums fit perfectly not shouting 'look at me' and not hiding behind the guitar.

Guitarist aint bad either ;D


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on March 28, 2008, 09:21:25 AM
Kara,

More and more, the Linux computer is the one I power up, even for non-music tasks. Ardour is a very intense learning experience, but is now a functional multi-track recorder/mixer for me. Next, Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX need some attention.
I spent some time with my own samples and JackBeat, but Hydrogen sounds so good  ;D
Rosy and Zyn will help me follow through with some pads and quality bass sounds.


Will,

Hydrogen allows nearly infinite control over tone and technique. My preference is a solid, characterful but inobtrusive, beat. And not really fond of cymbals for some reason. The program lets me play the drums the way I would if I actually had the dexterity and co-ordination. Schweet!

Being a late bloomer in many ways, I'm finding that at age 52 my guitar skills are just getting to the point where I can reliably express the tones and textures I hear in my head. (Thanks for noticing - very gratifying :D)  The challenge now is to keep the hands limber and the body fit so I can go on playing and improving.


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: kara on March 28, 2008, 09:45:24 AM
Kara,

More and more, the Linux computer is the one I power up, even for non-music tasks. Ardour is a very intense learning experience, but is now a functional multi-track recorder/mixer for me. Next, Rosegarden and ZynAddSubFX need some attention.
I spent some time with my own samples and JackBeat, but Hydrogen sounds so good  ;D
Rosy and Zyn will help me follow through with some pads and quality bass sounds.


You made some big progress Oren.
Ardour is very powerfull, but not the easiest to learn. At the moment I master all the basics of it but still struggle with some more advanced concept. And some of them are a bit strange in implementation. Ex. Groups, when you put severall tracks in a group, changing the volume of one track changes the volume of a group. You would expect a separate group volume fader here.....
And I still didn't find out how busses and sends works exactly in Ardour  ::)
Rosegarden is a very powerfull all-in_one daw expecially for MIDI. Alltough it can load audio-tracks, the audio editing is a bit limited.
If you work with MIDI, I think best workflow is, optimize midi and render to audio or record straight in in Ardour, since both can be syncronized trough Jack.

I allso still have a lot to learn; LADSPA plugins (there to many of them  ;D ) , some day I'll have to concentrate on programming Zyn, since i'm so used to modular synthesizers my first reaction allways goes to the Alsamodular (when I don't use hardware).
And perhaps, one day, I'll understand what mastering is all about, and could use Jamin :)

So much things to do, so litle time....

k


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on March 28, 2008, 12:55:31 PM
Rosegarden is a very powerful all-in_one daw especially for MIDI. Alltough it can load audio-tracks, the audio editing is a bit limited.
If you work with MIDI, I think best workflow is, optimize midi and render to audio or record straight in in Ardour, since both can be syncronized through Jack.

I also still have a lot to learn; LADSPA plugins (there to many of them  ;D ) , some day I'll have to concentrate on programming Zyn, since i'm so used to modular synthesizers my first reaction allways goes to the Alsamodular (when I don't use hardware).
And perhaps, one day, I'll understand what mastering is all about, and could use Jamin :

Yes, organizing all the MIDI tricks in Rosegarden, then record them into Ardour, sounds like a good combination.

Zyn is simply the synth Will gets all those dreamy tones from - that's why I chose it. I'm sure if I'd heard AlsaModularSynth first, I would be using it instead. The modular synthesizer seems like such a versatile tool, why even bother to learn Zyn now?

JAMin looks very good, but from what I can tell, Audacity has nearly identical mastering capabilities (with those amazing LADSPA plug-ins), and I already use it on the final edit of a file. Employing it as my mastering tool (as I have with great results in the past :D) saves me a step, and there will be no need to familiarize myself with yet another application.


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Diss on March 28, 2008, 01:33:03 PM
One question can I add Hydrogen drum to my karamoon loop library ?
 can I !!!   Diss


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: kara on March 28, 2008, 02:06:30 PM
What do you mean Diss, i don't understand the question...
Hydrogen is a sample based drum machine under Linux like Battery under Windows.
What exactly do you want ?

k


One question can I add Hydrogen drum to my karamoon loop library ?
 can I !!!   Diss


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Diss on March 28, 2008, 02:17:18 PM
I hope I don't offend you but I like to mix sounds and this would be fun to add to my loops for acid pro.  Diss


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: kara on March 28, 2008, 02:21:37 PM
O i see, well if you are talking about my hydrogene demo track, feel free to use it in your music and make loops of it. No problem  8)


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Wyatt on April 05, 2008, 11:12:59 AM
Wow Oren,

..that is simply gorgeous guitar you've got going on there!

Breathless in Oklahoma,

Wyatt


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on April 05, 2008, 04:07:12 PM
...that is simply gorgeous guitar you've got going on there!

Thanks, Dude!

First cousin to your Strat, don't ya know ;D


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on April 26, 2008, 05:07:40 PM
Since moving from the default 41,000Hz sampling rate in JACK and Ardour to 96,000Hz, Hydrogen follows along obediently by changing its sampling rate, but the drum sounds(samples?) play at a ridiculously high pitch.

No apparent remedy in sight ??? ....suggestions?


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Wyatt on April 26, 2008, 05:29:24 PM
Oren,

I think I saw something here a while back:


http://www.kara-moon.com/forum/index.php?topic=1511.msg13386#msg13386


Wyatt


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on April 26, 2008, 05:57:37 PM
Wyatt,

I'm not clear how this thread applies to a MIDI sequence, but perhaps I'll remove the "drum kits" and then reload them from the web site with Hydrogen set up at 96,000Hz from the outset.

Thanks for caring, HarpMan (how's them pipes?)!


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Wyatt on April 26, 2008, 06:10:46 PM
Wyatt,

I'm not clear how this thread applies to a MIDI sequence, but perhaps I'll remove the "drum kits" and then reload them from the web site with Hydrogen set up at 96,000Hz from the outset.

..a distinct possibility, lol..I never did quite get it the first time around.

..does seem that the relationship between higher sample rate and higher pitch that may make proper sense to *someone*.
:D

Quote
Thanks for caring, HarpMan (how's them pipes?)!

Sure thing :)

..pipes are coming along slowly..can't wait to tear into those harps again.

Wyatt


Title: Re: Hydrogene drumtest
Post by: Oren on April 29, 2008, 02:45:41 PM
As far as I am able to determine, the samples that make up the drum kits for Hydrogen are only pitched properly when the sampling rate (determined by JACK) is 44,100Hz.

I can work with this.... ;D