Amplification; Update; its not the speakers

[Wyatt]

Hey Fred,

I've got the 1212m myself..and near as I can remember, they used to spec the 0404 @ 24/96, and the 1616m @ 24/192.

The 'm' designation stands for mastering grade..the same a/d - d/a chips as Protools HD 192 interface.

Also the 0404 used to be listed as 111 s/n and 116 s/n ratio..one for a/d and the other for d/a..but I forget which is which.

I'm wondering if your patchmix settings are exactly the same as each other?  Are there any fx applied to one and not the other? ..yeah I know that is like asking you if it's plugged in,    but that could make a whale of a difference.



Wyatt

[Wyatt]

Oren,

I'm so glad to hear you are making progress.

Hang in there, man.   



Wyatt♦

[Alienz]

Hey Fred,

I've got the 1212m myself..and near as I can remember, they used to spec the 0404 @ 24/96, and the 1616m @ 24/192.

The 'm' designation stands for mastering grade..the same a/d - d/a chips as Protools HD 192 interface.

Also the 0404 used to be listed as 111 s/n and 116 s/n ratio..one for a/d and the other for d/a..but I forget which is which.

I'm wondering if your patchmix settings are exactly the same as each other?  Are there any fx applied to one and not the other? ..yeah I know that is like asking you if it's plugged in,    but that could make a whale of a difference.



Wyatt

I think that pro-tools chip was the difference i heard about, so am I right in assuming that the 0404 doesnt have that chip and it can sound different because of that?
I'm a bit surprised EMU only offers the 0404 as USB version.

[Wyatt]

Hey Fred,

I've got the 1212m myself..and near as I can remember, they used to spec the 0404 @ 24/96, and the 1616m @ 24/192.

The 'm' designation stands for mastering grade..the same a/d - d/a chips as Protools HD 192 interface.

Also the 0404 used to be listed as 111 s/n and 116 s/n ratio..one for a/d and the other for d/a..but I forget which is which.

I'm wondering if your patchmix settings are exactly the same as each other?  Are there any fx applied to one and not the other? ..yeah I know that is like asking you if it's plugged in,    but that could make a whale of a difference.



Wyatt

I think that pro-tools chip was the difference i heard about, so am I right in assuming that the 0404 doesnt have that chip and it can sound different because of that?
I'm a bit surprised EMU only offers the 0404 as USB version.

That's a new on on me, and I'm glad you brought that up.

The specs I was trying to remember this morning are for the pci card version. That one used to be of a lesser quality audio.

I don't know about the USB model.



Wyatt

[Fred S]

Yeah, they are definitely different. The SN for the 1616m is 120. The 0404 USB is 113 A/D and 117 D/A. It is rated 24/192 however. The 0404 is their newer 2.0 USB AI. The 0202 is a 1.1 device and rated to 24/96.

So what I'm listening to is 24 bit with an SN of 117. Just not that big of a difference. It doesn't seem logical that I could hear that. I'll just keep an eye/ear out as I move forward.

Wyatt, that's a good call on the patch mix, but I don't use the DSP effects on the 1616m and both cards are set at 24/44.1. The 0404 doesn't use the patch mix. Which, incidently, I don't mind all that much!!

[Alienz]

You dont need the patchmix for the 0404 USB version? 

[Fred S]

The 0404 has a simplified control panel. Patchmix is probably the most complicated of any AI software. There's a hefty learning curve that is a consideration for purchase. Most owners would say "its pretty good once you get your head around it". The DSP effects are helpful for recording as you can add effects in the recording process without using PC resources. I personnally don't use it as I like the control of adding effects to the audio afterward.

Anyway, that's my take on patchmix.

[Alienz]

Thats actually quite good news, simpler means it will be easier for my brother to start recording etc if he does buy a 0404 USB since he's quite a novice at computing and even I still dont understand the patchmix, I'm with you there

[Wyatt]

The 0404 has a simplified control panel. Patchmix is probably the most complicated of any AI software. There's a hefty learning curve that is a consideration for purchase. Most owners would say "its pretty good once you get your head around it". The DSP effects are helpful for recording as you can add effects in the recording process without using PC resources. I personnally don't use it as I like the control of adding effects to the audio afterward.

Anyway, that's my take on patchmix.

..btw..I simply loathe patchmix.




Wyatt

[Fred S]

  Why not just tell us exactly how you feel, Wyatt

Correction, the 0202 is also a USB 2.0 device. Either that's a newer model or I was just mistaken. Specs are close to that of the 0404.

Also, Alienz, recording is at 0-latency monitoring. So should work ok for your brother.

[Wyatt]

Why not just tell us exactly how you feel, Wyatt

Sorry for beating around the bush.   



Wyatt

[Alienz]

Why not just tell us exactly how you feel, Wyatt

Correction, the 0202 is also a USB 2.0 device. Either that's a newer model or I was just mistaken. Specs are close to that of the 0404.

Also, Alienz, recording is at 0-latency monitoring. So should work ok for your brother.

Thanx for the info Fred, aprreciate it
I know about the 0202 but its a lighter version of the 0404 as I understood it, i think it has no MIDI or something, and my brother does need that.
I;m starting to have really fun with the 0404 recently, I had it for almost three years i think but due to circumstances and illness I hadnt plugged my bassguitar into it yet but now i did a few weeks ago and must say its a whole new world opening up. Im starting to build up songs very differently because of it, it becomes much more playing than programming music now, it really has me speechless sometimes...
I also found my electric guitar again which in itself is not very good but with some computer added fx it doesnt sound that bad all !

[Fred S]

Its time to rock out, Alienz