"Ghosting" Chuck Berry, McCartney, and the Beach Boys.

[manning]

chaps/mario.
thanks for the comments.
but i would like to hear from oren..
cos i was really very very worried if the malibu idea might miff him.
n i didnt want that as its his thread.
as i said i just want everyone to be happy n have fun.
but..if everyones in agreement includeing oren with
the malibu idea then i would be happy to finish off the arrange
and post the full malibu arrange demo.
i would need a day or so .
THEN useing the  arrange we all redo the whole thing properly
from bottom up.

mario..i agree heartily bout the dale comment n the surf sounds.
my lead for example was just a place holder mate.

the current mp3 example of malibu goes to 2minutes 20 secs.
if everyones in agreement to finalise the arrange after 2m20secs
i hear one more voc verse then a nice (yes mario..dale type)
outtro which should wrap up the thing nicely.

anyhoo if everyones in agreement includeing oren..i'll finalise the
arrange for critique going to prolly 3mins 30 secs.
then you good chaps can critique the lyrics n arrangement or anything
n we can refine the lyrics/arrange till we are all happy.
fair ??
its the same method as big boy studios work..
step 1.. do a ruff demo.
step 2..redo the song properly etc with the right sound picture n
n instrumentation etc etc.

by the way as some seem to like my drum trak , i'll be happy to upload it
so people can use it as a basic clik trak or whatever in their project.
totally agree mario btw. it needs to be a kik  A**..lol... surf sounding song. 

god bless.

[MarioD]

anyhoo if everyones in agreement includeing oren..i'll finalise the
arrange for critique going to prolly 3mins 30 secs.

Sounds good to me!

[Oren]

anyhoo if everyones in agreement includeing oren..i'll finalise the
arrange for critique going to prolly 3mins 30 secs.

Sounds good to me!

Lovely - go!

[manning]

Oren/all.
Oren ..very  kind of you mate.
your a great bloke.

okey dokey i'll work like a piglet tomorrow..
thursday n finish the arrange ruff vocs next verse n outtro  etc
makeing the song around
3min 25 secs or so in length.
n then upload for critique of lyrics n arrangement.
any leads will be just place holders.
cos i'm no great lead geetar player.
n whole thing will be redone anyhoo with marios surf/dale ideas
once everyone is happy with ruff arrange.

so gimme a day, n let me finish arrange for whole thing.
god bless.

[manning]

chaps.
ok...have at me...
be as critical as you wish.
full ruff demo arrange for malibu attached.
3minutes 40 secs in length.
note..from 2 minutes 55 secs to 3 minutes 18 secs
is where the second lead will be..the outtro lead..
before vocal chorus comes in at end.
i didnt put in the lead cos it would just be a place holder anyway to be
re done. n a fresh lead idea a la dale style is needed anyway.
n i have a bit of arthritis in my hand today.
(the first lead i did put in is just a place holder also..
to be replaced a la dale style.)
anyhoo please critique ruff arrange n lyrics etc.
god bless.

[kara]

I just feel that this will be good 

k

[Oren]

I just feel that this will be good 

A winner! Let's run with this - nice work, Ed...

[offthewall]

 
OK,
here is a quick mix with bass,

and the bass line on it's own for mixing in.

As you didn't put in any sort of count-in I have made this 'EXACTLY' the same length as the mp3 file that you submitted (Ed)

 
James

[manning]

chaps.
sorry bout the count in..(actually there is one..)
no count in cos i wasnt anticipating folks would record traks useing the mp3
which is just a v ruff guide arrange. nothin more n that.
cos step 2 rebuild from scratch gotta be done.
n we gotta work out loads of details. 
unless i gradually build the mix here from peoples contribs.
but would prefer someone do the mixing who has good monitoring...cos my monitoring suks as i cant afford the big studio stuff i once had.

[manning]

offthewall.
re bass..yep the bass arrange is vital of course.
one can play it many ways of course..walking it ,
or b b b b on a note etc. or a combo of approaches..
i suspect a combo will work.
there are places i hear the b b b  on same note mate.
to give the idea of "motion".

i "know" its sometimes boring to do that for a bass player.
i really really like what you did in the second lead area .
if you notice i put in likkle slides.
instead of doin the slide lower eg at begin ..
n other places.
how bout trying trying the bass slide downs mate an octave higher mate ??
as in "wheeeee"...lol..to communicate fun.

places i hear high bass slide down are as follows mate.
5 secs, (here is vital as in I'm a happy bass...wheeee.
conveying idea of fun.)
after that 5 secs slide i hear on bass..motion...
(b b b b etc on same note to convey motion withn the beat,
till vocs start n to get the punters danceing.)
42 secs...high bass slide down..as in "wow".
1min13secs...another bass slide.
2 mins..another slide.
(ps..2mins 15 secs that note you did high..SUPERB MATE.
NICE rumble at 2mins37/8 secs mate.) )
3mins 18/19 secs..another bass slide.
the basic concept of the slides n conjunction with geetar slides
at same time point...
when final version is done is to make it all seem "fun".
and create a "hook" or sound picture.
please feel free mate to say ed...i dont like that idea etc etc.
daft idea..lol.
god bless.




 

[Oren]

This called for a new project executed at 153 b.p.m.
 For those who want to contribute, here is Ed's track with a little extra kick and snare action (for a very definite beat), and some "Honky Tonk Woman" cowbell.
 Just for convenient of tracking, I lined this up with a count-in and rendered to Ogg Vorbis for exact timing.

James,
Your bass concept is premium! Lay it down one more time with gusto, LongHair!
If the arrangement changes for any reason, down the road, we can always slice and dice the bass track accordingly. Save you a bit of work...

[manning]

Oren.
i got a question for you mate.
what do you have in the way of monitoring ??
reason i'm asking is...if you have great accurate monitoring prolly
if we are gonna do this song properly that you should mix it if ok with you ??
what do you have mate ?? for monitoring ??
cos my monitoring suks compared to big studio rigs i used in the past.
my monitoring is ok for ruffs/demos n booning around but not for serious final songs
if we decide to do this song seriously as a proper production
that could be played on radio etc etc.
my blinkin pension suks..lol.
so i'm stuck for monitoring gear.

[offthewall]

 
Combination of my ideas and Ed's ideas.

Here is another rough mix, from Oren's latest, plus the solo bass part.

Feel free to cut and use any bits from both incarnations, to suit the mix. 

  Great fun.

 
James

[MarioD]

James, EXCELLENT BASS. 

I was going to suggest that “sliding” surf bass guitar part be added to this.  You must have ESP!

PS - I hope to have time to add a part sometime this weekend.

[Oren]

I was going to suggest that “sliding” surf bass guitar part be added to this. 
PS - I hope to have time to add a part sometime this weekend.

I was hoping you'ld step up to the plate, Mario. We need some legitimate Beach Boys/ Ventures/ Richard Dale guitar action. and you have the chops...

James,
Just what we needed, Bro...

Ed,
I'd love to do a mix of this one. My monitors (for two years, now) are Cambridge SoundWorks - two tiny satellites and a sub-woofer. Inexpensive, reliable, and acoustically accurate. Did I mention inexpensive...?
http://www.audioreview.com/cat/speakers/floorstanding-speakers/cambridge-soundworks/pcworks/PRD_119259_1594crx.aspx