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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2007, 12:04:54 AM »


Martin, I guess I didn't quite understand what Wyatt was getting at. That's ok though, cause I can't sing anyway  Wink Grin

Thanks Fred,

I seem to have caused some confusion here. So thank you for saying that..

I have been watching this, and I have been thinking I really should have quantified my original statement..it's amazing to me how words don't mean exactly the same thing to everyone, and I obviously have some things to learn about this medium Grin

So for the sake of clarity here, first let me quote from my original post:

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To be clear about this: ..I am talking about a small difference..about a subtle difference.. and I don't want too many words to make it sound larger than I mean it, or to sound like any sort of a criticism.

Absolutely beautiful work you did here..of the highest order.


Second, I better explain a little about my own unavoidable prejudice:

By now I should have just gone out to pasture quietly, but nonetheless, I still evaluate audio for distribution and public consumtion. I am no golden ears, lol..but I do listen from the customers prospective..and I would not have caused any misunderstandings here, if I had been able to post something for folks to A/B.

When I use the word subtle, I'm talking about taking like a decibel from the loudest instrument track and adding a decibel to the vocal, and see what that sounds like for starters..you don't know what that will do till you try it and fiddle around, so I didn't want to make a cut and dried statement like that..and based on message traffic since, I obviously communicated poorly.

..you see the engineers and the artists have all spent years honing their ability to hear..the customer hasn't..and my personal prejudice here is that I think Martin sings so danged beautiful that I want to hear him..when a man has something to say, and says it with the voice of an angel, I want the listener to know it..Now before I start a brouhaha over crass commercialism..NO NO NO..I'm not saying that we should not have artists who live in the rarified atmosphere..far from it..we need artists to show us things we never saw before..all I'm describing here is my personal bias..for y'alls understanding. I really am trying to get over it, but at my age, it aint likely.

If this was not such an absolute freaking masterpiece, cr@p I woulda never said anything but 'attaboy'..this song is so hot I thought to myself, if this guy would be a little more bold and put *himself* out there vocally, once upon a time I coulda sold a million of *him*..you don't sell music..you sell an experience that you can keep..you sell a piece of the artist..JMPO.

Meantime..my music for me I have kept it a hobby, because I understand full well, that commercialization can destroy creative freedom..been there and done that..heck, if my musical ability was half of what Martins is, I'd a been famous twice!

Now just in case I have muddied this whole thing up a second time, apologies in advance.

@kara..before I forget..
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It seems to be very hard to make a mix with lyrics that are important in a song and still give the instruments some credit.

I think you really hit the nerve center of something here..something we could all benefit from an in depth discussion of..but I don't want to hijack Martins thread..haha..I did enough damage here already.  Grin

Like the man once said,  "What was I thinkin!"

Peace,

Wyatt


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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2007, 03:36:10 AM »

but I don't want to hijack Martins thread

Yeah, me either, I prefer just to hijack Martin now and then Wink Grin

Actually, Wyatt, I'm just an old fart who likes to opinionate now and then....sometimes opening my mouth just to change feet  Roll Eyes   
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« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2007, 07:33:49 AM »

Very interesting, and yes perhaps we should start a new treath in general discussion to talk about mixing techniques.

Just one remark or rather a question, since we all do our proper productions and trying to mix as good as we can, don't we contentrate to much on technique and not enough about art (=music) ?
Perhaps the mass of people don't realy care, they just love the song ...  Cool
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« Reply #33 on: May 18, 2007, 09:31:50 AM »


Actually, Wyatt, I'm just an old fart who likes to opinionate now and then....sometimes opening my mouth just to change feet  Roll Eyes   

..lol..I hear that..I try to remember to take my boots off on the porch. Grin
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« Reply #34 on: May 18, 2007, 09:34:52 AM »

Very interesting, and yes perhaps we should start a new treath in general discussion to talk about mixing techniques.

Just one remark or rather a question, since we all do our proper productions and trying to mix as good as we can, don't we contentrate to much on technique and not enough about art (=music) ?
Perhaps the mass of people don't realy care, they just love the song ...  Cool

I think you are onto something. I would be very interested to hear how we different ones of us think about our music. I think we could be important to each other by sharing our outlook.

Wyatt
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